87 | Exposing Lies & Sharing Truth as a Form of Activism
Our guest this week is Ejay Clinton. Ejay is an artist, an activist, an influencer and the founder of popular Factions of Freedom podcast.
Through collaboration, expansion and understanding, Factions of Freedom hopes to expose the lies, share the truth and change all those who believe in more and see it. The show is very popular with young people, particularly young people of color, and one of thing we talk about in the episode is how the Factions of Freedom team has been so successful at engaging young people in conversations about spirituality, wellness, & politics.
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Ejay Clinton Awarepreneurs Podcast Interview
SPEAKERS
Paul Zelizer, Ejay Clinton
Paul Zelizer 00:07
Hi, this is Paul Zelizer and welcome to another episode of the Awarepreneurs podcast. This podcast is all about the intersection of three things conscious business, social impact, and awareness practices. Each episode, I do a deep dive interview with a thought leader in this intersection, someone who has market tested experience that is already transforming many lives. Before I introduce today's guest and our topic, I have one favor to ask you. If you could go over to iTunes or whatever app you're listening to this on, and do a search for the aware partner shows it really help if you would do a rating and review. It does all those good algorithm things and helps people find our community and helps our guests get their message out there. So thanks for considering. Today, I am thrilled to introduce ej Clinton. And our topic today is exposing lies and sharing truth as a form of activism. And let me just say before I introduce ej, It's not every day you get to introduce somebody who you met standing in your underwear is a true ej and I we happen to live in the same city. I'm thrilled to live in Albuquerque with ej and we were at the gym one day. And I forget if I was wearing shorts, honestly, or my underwear, but I was literally standing there changing in the gym. And we started up a fabulous conversation. I'm thrilled to know ej and what he's doing with his community factions of freedom is just off the charts. ej is an artist and activist and influencer and the founder of factions of freedom, real high leverage podcasting community that we're going to talk about a lot today. ej, welcome to the show.
Ejay Clinton 01:42
Paul, thank you so much for having me. This is a this is a long time coming. I hope I hope I can do do the show justice. You're a great person. And I for the record, you know, I just want to say this too. Just to start off, Paul is so awesome. Because like, it was like the second or third time that we talked that he connected me with some of the amazing people over there at the mindful New Mexico conference. And, you know, it's just been synchronously after synchronously. And I'm sure we'll get into some of that here with you guys as well. But thank you, Paul, for having me on.
Paul Zelizer 02:16
It's going on in New Mexico, like nationally, people are finding out about Albuquerque and Netflix came here. And now we want to like bringing some of that energy to the wellness and social and social impact entrepreneur. But ej is a great example of the young and really smart and really dynamic entrepreneurs that we have here in this community. So ej, this confluence of this work that you do you guys talk about politics and spirituality and all these like deep, hard conversations, corporate capitalism and consciousness and all sorts of things, which we're going to talk about, not necessarily so easy. What's a practice that you personally do to help you resource yourself in the realm of wellness or awareness to help you show up day after day, week after week?
Ejay Clinton 03:09
Aside from, you know, going to the gym and having like fantastic conversations with you, and other people like you to start off my day. We also go on hikes, I also go out there in nature, because we are all being bombarded with so much information all the time. I think the best thing that most people can learn to do is orient themselves. You know, and I talked about this on my show, and I've been talking about it more so the past few months recently, that a man that America is going through this radicalization process. And I think it's because of the the overwhelming amounts of information that's out there, how it is all being scripted and designed to trigger you and make you feel some type of way. Because, well, how do you feel? Do you know how you feel? Are you in control of your own emotions are or are other things out there dictating how you feel? You see the co founder of Facebook, one of the co founders of facebook, facebook, Sean Parker talks about exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology. And so when we're when we're dealing with the mindspace that we're dealing today, we have to understand that it's all designed to to, again, have you feel a certain way, think a certain way. But if you're not in control or command of your own thoughts, your own emotions, your own orientation. Well, how can you? How can you decipher? How can you discern what you're seeing? You see, so that the best thing that I can think to offer to people as far as orient yourself and this is something I want to pass along for my friend, Adam Nix of the wayfinder podcast, I don't remember the precise six disciplines, to to to to having a beautiful life, but it's taking the time to carve out time with yourself time with nature, time with the divine and also time with a society. You see. There's so many different aspects to it. But it's learning that compartmentalization, and the importance thereof. That helps, that helps with likely overwhelming information because it's not going to go away. The only thing that's going to change is your interpretation of it and how you're going to respond to it.
Paul Zelizer 05:21
So, Ejay, you do this incredible work in this confluence of being an artist, being an activist, being an influencer, we'll talk about that. Having this incredible community and podcast and media, channel and company, maybe it's a better way to think about a call factions of freedom. How, how did you kind of build the muscles in those different parts of your background?
Ejay Clinton 05:50
failure? failure?
Paul Zelizer 05:54
You mean, you didn't get to where you are in a linear straight path? Hmm, believe it or not, yeah,
Ejay Clinton 05:59
no, this didn't, it just didn't happen that way. Failure became my friend, failure became my teacher.
Paul Zelizer 06:08
Give us give our listeners an example of some of the earlier iterations of Ejay’s career.
Ejay Clinton 06:13
Okay, um, you know, just the other day I was looking at. Because we've been doing this for four to five years. Before we were factions of freedom. We were the vanguard of Renaissance. And so I was trying to crank out shows every day, because, you know, I thought I had a message, I didn't know what I was doing. And I had stumbled across episodes from four to five years ago. And I could hear, I could hear the hesitation, I could hear the complication, I could hear just the, the apprehension in my own voice. And the reason I have to say, Oh, that is you have to, you have to understand that failure will become your best friend. And as a child, I've understood that, you know, I would tell myself, I don't believe in mistakes. I just, I just think these are lessons I haven't learned yet. It's part of the learning curve, I have to go through certain things in order to understand deeper truths to have certain certain certain facts revealed to me. You see, it's like, I could tell you, I could tell you something personal. You know, I used to tell people all the time I wanted, I want an X, I wanted z and wanted y I want a one, a one, a two, a one, a three, I wanted all these things. But I didn't realize that I was not. I was not the person that was required for all those things that I wanted, I was just a snotty nosed, arrogant punk, who was who was who was saying these things, I didn't realize that I had to grow, to to get the things that I wanted, I had to, to to to fail a few times to realize that what I thought I wanted, was really just was really just smoke and mirrors. You see, what you really want is understanding everything that's required for you to become the person that you need to be. And as I said before, failure will be your best teacher with that. And I don't mean that like in a negative sense. I mean, that like in the most optimistic sense. possible, like, we have evolved into where we are today with the pages, the shows, the network that we've created, the products every we have evolved into this. And it's all come from trial and error. It's all come from failure, I couldn't have a two hour show, if I couldn't hold conversation for 30 minutes, you see. And so without going through that adversity without experiencing that level of failure, and trying to propel myself to do more, I would know that the more is capable. It's it's understanding that that potentiality is in you. It's in everything. And then as I said before, letting those mistakes those lessons be your teacher to make you make better decisions.
Paul Zelizer 08:50
Now, just to give our audience some context, TJ, when you say, you know, go back four or five years, four or five years is this significant chunk of your life? Understand kind
Ejay Clinton 09:04
of 20s I'm 27 right now.
Paul Zelizer 09:07
And I wanted the surface that to say this is a real strength. One of the things we talked about in the were printers community over and over again, people like how do we engage young people young people aren't interested in fill in the blank wellness, spirituality, politics, Confluence, and yet, you've built this really significant brand, just to give people a sense, maybe the biggest portion are most visible portion of your community on Instagram. Is that fair to say?
Ejay Clinton 09:36
That's a that's fair. Yeah.
Paul Zelizer 09:38
210,000 followers on Instagram, folks. But you guys have built up a big platform interests of young people who care about this Confluence when the story in some circles is that young people and particularly young people that you know, look more like you than me j would don't care about this Confluence. Talk to us a little bit. Like, how do you do that? And how did you What would you say to somebody who's wanting to be in community with young people on the younger end of the spectrum who care about politics, wellness and spirituality?
Ejay Clinton 10:13
It is such a such a good question. It's so hard to answer. I hope I do it justice. You know, it's how do you get people you? I would like to say, I'm not an anarchist. But I thoroughly believe there is no law that can give you freedom. There is no law that can give you the rights that you were born with inherently given to you by the Creator God. And so when we're looking at this battlespace that we're in today, you have a lot of people that think that politics is going to lead them towards self liberation. You have people that believe that politics is going to give them the truth that they are so desperately, desperately seeking. And that's not it. But that's the farthest thing from it. That's actually scary. How many people think that they will, that they can solve the answer by telling other people how to live their lives when they can barely pay their bills. And I mean, that in the most respectful way possible, our generation, my generation, we, we have an arrogance about us, we have this no at all egotistical mindset, where we, where we act like we're not materialistic, but we want to make sure we have as many followers as possible, watching us literally eat nothing. And so what what, what person does that create? When a person says they don't care, but all of their physical actions indicate otherwise? There's a schism, you see. And so that schism, as I mentioned before, was Sean Parker, the co founder of Facebook exploiting that vulnerability in human psychology. There it is, if they can nurture the bad part of the schism, the part of them that that focuses on denial and ignorance than the other part of the schism, that's based here in reality, can have no understanding of what's going on. When I built factions of freedom. I don't even I wouldn't, I don't, I would not say I built it because the audience helped build me. They helped Tell me like, this is not this is not this, you need to focus on this. Have you heard of these people watch these, watch this documentary. I say time and time again, that the the factions of freedom is a platform that the audience created. You know, from our very, very first episode vanguard of Renaissance Episode 101. came out, what was it? August, maybe, maybe July or August 5 of 2015. We had a caller then. And the reason I point that out is because that shows you that people saw that we were trying to create a platform for them. We didn't have an effective voice that could talk about the issues that we cared about. And I and I, you can go back and listen to that I made sure that was it. Because Instagram and social media, it's not CNN, it's not Facebook, it's not coast to coast. It's not it's not am radio, you know, it's not things like that. It's it's a thing for a homeless person. It's a thing for the activist, it's a thing for the photographer, it's a thing for the writer for The it's a thing for everybody. But everybody who are doing these individual actions that represent what I call the Renaissance, everybody who's doing all these things, they still have that inkling of truth that they want to know that they I call them little doses of reality, the posts that we have, because there's so much stuff telling you to to look away from it. But the people who helped build this, they wanted to know what real, what part of core reality was going on what's going on, that they can fix in their own life. And so when they send me when they send me content, when they when they send me means when they would call them the shows, you know, that's the kind of, I guess that's the kind of network that we created was something to where it could it was synergistic, you see, to where it fostered that that that piece of Renaissance to where it also reminding people that they're human, and that Yeah, all these things are going on, but that you can do something about them.
Paul Zelizer 14:02
The audience built me said he did. I just love that, that there is some part of you is willing to listen and to hold in your heart maybe as a way to think about it. An audience that is oftentimes feeling left out of those more traditional media channels, the more traditional political conversation, the more traditional spiritual conversation, there's some part of you is that you are my people, right? Or we are each other's people in some way and you allow that to, to craft you to sculpt you to be a co creator and one emerge with factions of freedom. It is fair to say,
Ejay Clinton 14:42
yeah, there's a there's an Australian saying. Some people will tell you, it's West African. I'll say it's Australian aborigine, but they say in Lukasz means I am another you, right. It's like I am everything that is going on. I'm the we're going through it together, brother Me and you are going through together, sister, we're going like up, we are all reflections of one another. And so if we can't have a honest discussion about all these things that are going on and go to somebody that truly cares, we're going to be attached. You know, and I think sometimes, I just got to be honest with you, it does get to me because I do care so deeply, not only about the work that we are doing, but about how many people are listening and are dependent upon it. And I get frustrated, because I want to help even more, and I just have to realize that, well, who's doing this at all? You see, like, I it's a frustration, because I know I'm capable of more, and we all are capable of more. But it's getting that perception in that perspective, to understand that you are creating and facilitating other versions of yourself to come through. And you have to do the work now for those that come after you. And that's, that's that's what I'm doing. That's why I sometimes get frustrated. When I say some people don't have me on their shows. But I just have to remember that other people haven't created shows specifically designed to house this kind of content that we're discussing. And that's not that's not their fault. And so it's a it's it's a lot, man.
Paul Zelizer 16:18
Yeah. One of the things as I was getting ready for this episode, and thinking about this question of how, from at least an outsider's view and tell me if any of this feels off. But there's, there's a way in which there's quite a few people, especially maybe more than ever, in my 51 years interested in this intersection of wellness and spirituality and social impact or politics. And much of it feels very kind of tender. And people are tiptoeing around hard issues, or in fighting with each other. And one of the things you all do in your shows and your conversations on social media, it's much more direct, like this tagline on your site says exposing lies and sharing truth in this confluence of, you know, people dealing with these kind of things. It seems like gear bolder, it seems like you're more direct, it seems like you name names, right? Whether that's particular, something that's happening in the news, or you'll talk about corporate consciousness as the theme in a very direct way you talk about the health concerns of 5g, you don't just say you should go out there and you know, eat well, you guys are talking about very precise things. And I wonder if that is part of what your audience sort of coached you to be.
Ejay Clinton 17:45
They wanted authenticity. And I think, you know, in a in a time where everybody's just smiling for the cameras. When you start talking about when you start talking about organizing, having the ability not only to disperse chem trails, but also neutralize EMF radiation. Some people don't understand that because they think crystals are just, you know, things that hippies hold hold around them. It's like, no, you're not understanding that there's an actual practicality to all this stuff that's going on the intersection that you're talking about from health and wellness and spirituality. I remember I had recorded a Forfar eight hour series, somebody asked me the question of how someone like myself gets involved in this, I came in, kind of through a technological aspect, I used to work in computer science and information technology, but heavily spiritual background. And so I look at things in a very analytical way, but at the same time, a very practical way. And so when when I look at spirituality, I see it just the same people, people are hungry for this knowledge, because they realize that the empty materialist world out there, you can, it's not going to satisfy you. You can buy as many different things as you want. But if they're not imbued with the right energy, then you just gonna keep going back to them. I mean, you could we could talk about the pharmaceutical industry and how it creates, how it creates users, drug addicts and stuff like that. But let me get back to point as far as a practical spirituality, and being being very, very, very, not blunt. But being not not confrontational, but being in its face, like understanding these things are very real, is very real. But we've we've, we've gotten to a point to where things have become so watered down and lukewarm that most people yeah, they can digest it, but they don't internalize these teachings. Like right now I'm trying to figure out a way to talk to people about the seven hermetic principles and how the, even the principle of gender, you see of gender, how there's a male and a female and everything. But these aren't just physical things. We're thinking it's genitalia. That's the three dimensional understanding of gender, everything has a gender, whether it be masculine or feminine, whether it be positive or negative, we live in a binary fractal universe. And if we look at things in gender, it should understand how all things work. But because people live in this, this, this, this, this state of wanting extremely advanced teachings to be so simple. Well, they're expecting to see God in the sky on a cloud, you see, but that's what I mean, it's the level at which people are interpreting and understanding things. They want it literally spoon fed to them. And I suppose with axes of freedom, I refuse to do that. I refused to, to, to water it down. I wanted to tell people, these things are very real. And whenever you start integrating them into your life, watch out, watch how fast all the negativity leaves your life. I mean, just before the show, I was telling you how I caught myself drinking orange juice and taking my vitamins before the show. And that's a crazy concept to me. Because if you would have asked me during that four or five years ago, if I was that person, I would have laughed at you. I love I'd like steak and potatoes, the idea of taking nutrients and supplements. That's that's that's, that's, that's relatively new. But it's because of the the process in which I'm going through of consistently trying to improve upon what I'm doing, that makes that more natural. And so because people don't understand that, it's those teachings that a lot of a lot of ancient teachers, a lot of modern day teachers, a lot of people these days are talking about, it's hard to integrate it, sometimes it sometimes it truly is easier said than done. And so that's where we're at these days is because they have automated society to a degree that has removed these hurdles from us, these rituals, these, these trials and tribulations because they've removed those from us, we're not able to truly understand the situations, the rituals, the teachings, the knowledge that we have to go through. to to to to get to the other side. I hope that makes sense. Definitely.
Paul Zelizer 22:06
Thanks for sharing that. One of the things I know that you're really passionate about ej is taking adversity on in a direct way, not sort of pretending it's not there, not getting swamped or becoming pessimistic around it by having rivercity and kind of partnering now with the reflection or self reflect reflection practice. Talk to us about adversity and reflection. And how does that show up in the work that you do?
Ejay Clinton 22:39
You know, oh, you know, we, we met at the gym. And I think a good way to explain some of this is to use like a weightlifting analogy.
Paul Zelizer 22:51
And, and this is an audio only podcast. So let me just say, ej is big. He's really strong. So like, just some physical presence. This guy knows what he's talking about if we're talking about before.
Ejay Clinton 23:06
Thanks, Paul. I'm trying to I'm trying to get fit. Yeah. No, not yet. But it's coming.
Paul Zelizer 23:13
I'll workout and I'll get
Ejay Clinton 23:15
what I'm trying to get fit these days. guys can't tell. What what adversity in reflection, okay. So when, when I'm at the gym, you know, I'm a big guy. I was pushing 300 pounds, before I hit the gym. resnet 250. Hovering over hovering under 240. The gym analogy? What does that mean? What is Wait, what is stress? What is stress? What is pain? Right? Are you going to lift 400 pounds? Are you going to benchpress 400 pounds one time? Or are you going to benchpress 225 pounds? say maybe 10 times? Or even a benchpress? say maybe 125 pounds? 30 times? What is stress? What is adversity? Are you learning from what you're going through? You see? And so that's just a simple weight. analogy or weight weightlifters analogy as far as how do you how do you deal with adversity? Because it shows up in so many different ways. You know, from the work that we're doing with with with the podcast right here, from the posts that we post on social media to the guests that we have on everything that we're doing, what is adversity? You know, I I get frustrated sometimes because I feel so deeply and I have to realize that the goal that we are after it's not Hey, go get a Bugatti Hey, you know, go buy like three suits and you'll feel good. The goal that we're after, it's only reached whenever you you yourself feel a certain level of accomplishment. And that's where that level of reflection comes from. Whenever you you experience all these hardships. What are you learning? Or are you just so focused on the fact that oh, this boohoo me I this is happening to me. No, this is happening for you. This is meant to grow you this is meant to propel you. Not, yes, this is happening to you. But do you know why it's happening for you, it's to reveal a deeper truth that you need to learn. But if you're going through these things, you're experiencing the same level of adversity, you're probably comfortable, you're probably comfortable in the pain, and you're not willing to move to a different state of happiness move to a different state of bliss, you see, and the reason I say this is because in this instant gratification society that we have developed, it has robbed us, again, of that understanding of patience of time, of how the, of how the method will be revealed through the work. I mean, even gardening, taking care of the yard away, I'm I don't have a green thumb. But again, here comes failure, teaching me what I need to do. And if you don't take the time, to, to, to look at those types of situations to gain that that level of perception, or that perspective, you will forever keep thinking that all these adversarial things are happening to you, instead of for you. So that's where the reflection comes in. Are you looking at yourself, as you're going through these things? Do you want to keep going through these things? Or are you trying to propel yourself forward because of these things, into a position where you don't have to deal with these things. There's a, I, I forget if it's up, bring me the horizon or Bullet for My Valentine. But they have a song where they talk about basically, who will fix me now who will fix me, let him let them sing, who will fix me now. Because people want things to happen to them right off the bat without understanding that they have to go through a level of adversity, to get the experiences required. And that reflection, it that's, that's that's the key, that that truly is the key people want. People want happiness, and it's really truly a state of mind. You could be happy, literally walk in the street. But if you don't understand that, it's, it's it's all on you that you have to be the one to gain that perception through reflection, then you're not going to get it. No, I I'll say this, and then I'll finish it up. This is not what I want people to understand what a lot of this is. Even the Buddha told you that life is going to be suffering. And that we have to take the take joy in the simple pleasures of doing things. But it's those simple pleasures of doing things, the micro to where you begin to understand the macro. And there's all kinds of books out there these days, you'll you'll hear about it in the secret and manifestation and so much more. But that's what I mean by going through the adversity, realizing the reflection to ask yourself, What do you want from this? Who are you? Who will fix you now will you
Paul Zelizer 28:07
love what you're saying about adversity ej and one of the things I'm sitting with is adversity is unfortunately not equally distributed throughout humankind. Some of us, let's say, there's a young person who grows up in a family of the 1%. And somebody else who grows up in a family where the family is homeless. They're going to experience different levels or different qualities and different amounts of adversity. He talked about adversity and really direct way. And again, I think that's part of what helps you here. I think that's part of why you appeal to an audience that many brands are trying to crack that code and haven't yet how do you, how do you personally and what would you recommend to others who want to take on that adversity conversation, while still holding the context of structural inequalities and not disappearing? That?
Ejay Clinton 29:06
You know, I because I am a nerd. I would. I would whenever I was a kid. And unfortunately, as I got older to I try to say like I was a kid like that was so far along though. No, I still do it. Today, I would play three different games on two computers, I would have the same game, running just three different variations, three different characters, each of which had their own respective roles. They could handle things individually, but they wouldn't work as fast together. If there's anything that I can recommend to people, it's it's learning to take the time for that compartmentalization, because so many people want things to be like a jambalaya or a gumbo. And that's not how it's gonna work. You know, you've got to learn compartmentalization. You've got to learn isolation. You've got to learn the importance of having things some kind sometimes like so. In different pockets, everything is not the same. All challenges are not created equal, but they are challenges, the only thing that is consistent is change. And so if you begin to understand that everything is going to change all the time, and that you have to be ready for that change and to adapt appropriately, regardless of what situation you are in, then you'll begin to understand that it's not so much the, the situation that's changed. It's the it's the factors, it's the vector points, it's the, the ingredients, it's the, the part of the formulas changing, you see it, you still have to figure it out. It's just like the structure still there, it's just the different factors in that equation have changed. And so if you can figure out how to configure your mind to adapt to that, rather than the actual system, or the issue, you'll begin to fix the system. So that's what I see. That's what I see that I have to do, I see people, I see people focusing on the wrong part of things. And that's that, and I can't fault them. Because that's how clever some of this is, it's two sides of the same, it's two sides of the same coin, you just have to flip it over. But because we're sometimes presented with information that is specifically crafted and manipulated to look a certain way, as we said before the start of the transmission designed to to have you feel some type of way, because we accept what we are being given, we're not developing the tools to turn it into what we want it to be, to make it look like what it should be, to turn it into what it what it's to what's required. You see it so i just i look at how they look at how we're being presented things, how we're how, how we approach things. And so my thought process is if we can fix how we approach things, how we react to things, if we even choose to react to them at all, then we can begin to see growth in other areas. And because and I wanted to say this earlier, because people are moving into this, this automated society, we're swiping up, they don't understand that that's removing your, your inhibition that's removing your ability to think for even just two seconds, three seconds a second, we rapidly consume things. And so we don't understand what that's doing to our psyche. I mean, we don't even know how to recognize danger, unfortunately. But that's a different discussion for a different day.
Paul Zelizer 32:31
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Ejay Clinton 34:37
that I'm crazy
Paul Zelizer 34:43
I wouldn't say that I don't know if I can agree the only in a good way.
Ejay Clinton 34:48
Yeah, the good kind of crazy not the crazy you see out there in the streets that needs to be institutionalized the kind of crazy that ironically enough gets commercialized and and monetized but I have to laugh. if somebody were to tune in to the show, they would say, they would say that I am crazy. they would they would say that because I've had people who have said that, but then they come back. And they say, Well, what you're saying isn't so crazy. I just haven't had someone talk to me the way that you're talking to me. And I've gotten that my entire life, because I don't, I don't know about the Nets or the Jets, or, you know, Colin Kaepernick or I watched NFL sometimes I like the Panthers, I don't know these things. I know how to talk to who is inhabiting your soul, not your soul, I'm talking to the conch, I'm talking to that whatever energy is inside of the inhabitant of of your body, like what's inside of the inside of your body, your soul, I've always been able to talk to that. And so when I, when I get on the podcast, I talk to you the same way I would talk to myself. And that's sometimes why you guys even hear me talk to myself, because, as I said before in the cache, I am another you were going through this together, and on the show, I'm trying to approach everything in that same context. You know, that's why I can't do this. That's why I can't lie. I've said this time and time again. I feel like the only reason I've been given all the truth and the understanding I'm given is because I'm searching after wholesomeness, decency, righteousness truth, like I want to know. And so I'm being bestowed that gift, that blessing. And that's what I do on the show. I guess we talk about politics. That's something we kind of fell into. I primarily came into this from a paranormal aspect. I wanted to you guys, you guys can find this on the show. There's several different volumes, seven different episodes that we've done throughout that four to five year timespan, where we've had people submit their, their paranormal experiences, their supernatural stories, people will call in. And it's a fantastic time, I really do love it. It's the whole reason why I got started doing podcasting. But as I said, before the start of the show, we've evolved into what we are today. I wanted to do it for paranormal stuff to let people know that they weren't alone, when they were experiencing these things, that if you saw a ghost that you're not crazy, like you might be what's considered a sensitive that no, like there, there are a lot of things out there, both in heaven, hell and on earth that we don't know about. And just because a censored search engine such as Google can't provide the answers that you're looking for. doesn't mean you're crazy or alone. And so everything I've done has been to show people that there is somebody out there that does care. And I I know I'm not Yeah, Anderson, Cooper, Bill Mayer, you know, or any of these people out here, but I'm a regular person. I've got dogs I've got, I used to have cats there with my parents now have chickens, Garden, you know, have yard bills, but I also want to know why we got here, what is going on? No, we should not be living like this, this fear based reality we find ourselves living in, and how we have to propel ourselves into a love a, a love focused world. You know, I, I, I would tell people, even as a kid, I remember like, as a child, I would be with my mom. And we would go to like Ross or Sears or Walmart or something like that. You know, and I would, I would see people, you know, working there, and their light would just be so gone. And I remember just telling my mom like looking up to her like mom, like what's wrong with this person? Like, they don't look alright, like I knew was a new what a sick person was, but their soul looked like it had been smothered. And so I told my mom, I don't want to end up like that. I don't, I don't want to be. I don't want to be soulless. And so my entire life, adult life creating factions of freedom is to not only show how, indeed there is a soul, but there is a a consciousness to the soul. There is a there's so much magic here. And it's just, it's being washed away. Because we because what, because we have to have Snapchat because we have to have Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and these things and these personalities that that that are shallow. We have to follow these Talking Heads. We have to keep up with the Joneses. We can't talk about the depths of divinity. We can't talk about life. We can't talk about like the magic that's all around us. We can't talk about so much beauty in and that's again, what ties back into your other question of why why why I approached this not necessarily brazenly why I approached this with so much passion is because they were right by saying that knowledge will set you free. that knowledge is power. And it's not that you even want power. You just want to know that you want to know more and as you begin to know No more. You just get filled with such. Such. What would you call it? Paul? What would what would you? You know what I'm talking about? I'll tell
Paul Zelizer 40:10
a story here. Because I'm do we tell stories somebody asked me a question you're answering with a story or a story to choose option V, right? So again, ej and I met in the gym, we live in the same city, we're blessed to run into each other pretty regularly. If you want to experience of a lightness, just go on a walk with ej go on a hike with ej and a beautiful spot. We happen to have a lot of them here in Albuquerque and start talking about some of this stuff, soulfulness? And what are humans on planet Earth? And what does a good life look like? And what does it look like to live with an awareness of caring of each other and doing work that matters and trying to kind of peel back some of the fascism that's being layered on to us right here in the US and around the world? Just get ej started on one of those topics, you're gonna see a soul? I've seen that's a really beautiful thing. That's what I'd say how to answer your question.
Ejay Clinton 41:09
I just I like get worked up. I feel like guilty sometimes talking about it. It's like, I feel like I have this ball of energy of like, Here, let me show you. You have this to limit polarity. If you have this guy over there has this. Imagine how many balls of light there who might like let's talk about this, let let's really talk about this. And what you've
Paul Zelizer 41:29
done. If I may interrupt the days, you've brought that into a scalable environment, rather than talking to people one on one, you're using technology, in this case, podcasting, anybody listening heads up, I am a huge podcast fan, although it's not the only way to do this. You've created a scalable way to impact more lives by bringing that kind of passion. And I like when you guys publish an episode of factions of freedoms, like how many people listen to an episode these days?
Ejay Clinton 42:00
I say, right off the bat on that the first day probably like a good thousand, maybe 1500 1500
Paul Zelizer 42:06
people and episodes. And you guys have published one of the things about factions of freedom that I was really impressed with you guys publish, like, a lot, once a month, or how often do you publish?
Ejay Clinton 42:16
Well, you know, I got to kind of pivot a little bit to and this is for my audience and for your audience. Paul, whenever that walk the he's talking about right there, he was telling me Look, ej, you're, you're like a fish and water that doesn't even know it. He's like you're doing so much. And this is I'm telling this for my audience, too. And your audience, I would love to have them come over. But we're gonna begin creating short form more directed content that can help deliver what we're doing, because we're doing to our shows, like I want to be able to have this, I want to be able to impart this to people the same way we're having these conversations. Unfortunately, people don't have two hours. So that's what what we're going to be getting into here in the future. But to to, to answer your question, you know, we're putting out we have a we have the weekly show, every Sunday, or we have the flagship show every Friday comes out 8am. And we have our now weekly Sunday show 5pm to 7pm, Mountain Standard Time, fellowship and freedom, which you can listen to on our website or call into. And then I've also begun instituting Instagram Tuesdays, where I hang out with the audience, they ask us a series of questions. I like you, I try to siphon through all the ones that deal with DMT and aliens. And then whenever I find the real questions, you know,
Paul Zelizer 43:40
talk about the drugs. People listen, come on.
Ejay Clinton 43:48
I just have to smoke a joint beforehand and tell people you guys wouldn't know about the aliens. You have to wait to the very end of the show. Oh, my gosh. But no, you know, that's, that's it. And I kind of have to say this, too. And this is again, a thing that Paul has kind of put me on, is because we are doing so much and it's not. It's not, it's not week cake content, like this is stuff that's actually actually substantial. It's very real. Some people have a hard time digesting it. And so we're beginning to shift our content, so that it is easily digestible, but it's not so not so much not so rapid. You see,
Paul Zelizer 44:28
right here right now, and I'm excited about the changes you're talking about. But just to help our audiences understand from a social impact entrepreneur or social venture perspective, right here right now. There's three shows a week, Friday, Saturday and Tuesday. And you're impacting if you add those all up 1000 to 1500, a show three a week, multiply that by a month, you're you're impacting like 20,000 people a month, 15 20,000 people a month with what's going right now. You have other ideas of how to grow it and change it, let's just like pause for a moment to say, That's beautiful. your passion, your vision for people your desire to want to help, and particularly like we said, who is listening to this show and where they might not feel included in other spaces, the scale that you're inviting in young people who are finding a way to connect with your content and the conversations that many other people in this complements are really struggling to do, I just want to bow and say, thank you for doing that.
Ejay Clinton 45:40
It's, you know, I tell people what other what are their blessing and honor is there to have like a life of not necessarily servitude, but a life like, dedicated to, to helping us transition into better versions of ourselves. Like, what other blessing is there, that's why I said, you know, earlier, I get frustrated, because like, I feel so deeply and I want to see this change, I get frustrated at myself, because I feel like I'm not doing enough. It's like, dude, you're working yourself into exhaustion, for for hardly anything. And you want to and you want to see sunshine and rainbows and kittens and unicorns tomorrow, you've got to ease you've got to be a little bit real with yourself. And this is a this is this is a hard thing for me. Because I'm, I'm so not necessarily content oriented. I see these things happening so fast, and I don't.
Ejay Clinton 46:38
I don't feel the change. But I know it's there when I know that I'm changing. And I know that's a crazy thing to say, I hope it makes sense. But it's it's it is it is a blessing and an honor to be in a position like this. I have I don't even care about the celebrities, all the athletes and the people, that's cool. I don't, I don't I don't care for them. But I but I do I care that they understand and that they're seeking for these things. I have people in the White House that follow us, I have people in foreign countries that follow us on the 80% of our podcasting audiences domestic, the rest of that is international, you know, I have people it is sometimes overwhelming to think about. And I've only started so much, I've only started thinking about our impact on over the past two seasons, because we've grown. But all I'm really trying to say is, is there is no other work that I would see myself doing. And as I said before, with the audience creating factions of freedom, you know, now I have people, I have people trying to send us, essentially products to eliminate the glyphosate in your body. And because we all understand the dangers of glyphosate, Monsanto, Roundup, other herbicide Roundup, and you know how it's causing cancer, non Hodgkins lymphoma, so much more. That's important, you see, and so I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm seeing I'm seeing I am seeing the changes, it's just crazy to think that I'm a part of it. Or it's crazy to think that I'm that I'm that I'm able to help influence some of this, like a few years ago, I remember whenever a California had authorised or legal or whenever it passed SB 277 mandatory vaccinations for children in daycare centers, then sb 279, which was the same bill for parents and adults at those daycare centers. Because we, we were anti mandatory vaccinations, we had a lot of doctors and lawyers that were contacting us saying, hey, if you have any people who need exemptions, send them our way. And so for like a few what for a while, they're like I was just getting because we were posting that I was just getting parents. I was getting parents who were who were like, Hey, what's going on? What can I do, I'm having a ferret into this person, I'm telling them, you know, talk to this person. And you're it's it's just crazy. Because you know, that's a few years ago. I say this because the guy messaged me like a few a few months ago He's like, Hey buddy, just want to say thank you for you know connecting me with so and so. You know, our beautiful baby girl is doing is doing well. You know we've we've actually moved different states. I just want to say thank you for posting this. And and I don't think you don't no one thinks about these things. No one thinks about a post that you that you put up two three years ago. To alarm to to not alarm but make people aware about things like this and things that they can do to fix not only their lives, but their children's lives and their legacy. No one thinks about that. That's that your post could help them from forever ago. But when it happens like this, think about The level of humility, Paul, and that's why I sometimes don't feel like worthy of this because you're, you're helping people, you're you're looking at, you're looking at this all change in turn. And it's all designed to make you better. That's what I'm trying to tell you is everything that everybody has done, and that we're all doing together, it's all come from that place of compassion, of understanding of, hey, let's help each other get through this. But I'm telling you that the people are sending me glyphosate products, nutraceuticals, Sheila z, and all these other things, it's because they not only not only do they want sales, clearly, but it's because they also want, they want somebody that has a healthy mind and healthy body, and a healthy spirit, affiliated with what they're doing. And so you have fans, you have supporters, you have people sending things here, because they, again, not only because they want sales, but because they want to make sure that you're on point, they're that committed to your own journey that they want to see you do well. And so that's the whole network that we have going on, is is I'll I'll do this, if you guys can do this. And that's that synergistic beneficial relationship that we've that we've created over time. And that is, again, beyond and honor, you can't you can't buy that, you know, you, you can't, you can't go get a gun and you can't go shoot that there's no drug that can give you that feeling. There's no book that's going to make you feel that way. This is a life. This is a lifestyle, built around compassion, understanding harmony, mutually beneficial relationships. And just it's, it's, it's deeper than most people can deeper than most can feel and think. And that's why I think we have the field that we have is because it's not, it's not fake. It's been built over time. And it's not just me. It's a community of people, which I represent, doing more than any one person can do.
Paul Zelizer 52:06
If somebody's listening, and they're saying that sounds beautiful, but like, how does he pay pay the bills, like help us unpack how it works? As an enterprise you mentioned? You know, there's some products I've seen you at times, do some promotions? I know you have products I know you are I believe you get some financial benefit, depending on the number of listeners you have. Is any of that sound in the ballpark?
Ejay Clinton 52:32
Yeah, you know, we, we get we generate revenue from views, listen, promotions, sales, and now we're gradually moving into products. And that's foreign. Because being so content oriented. I never really thought about business. You know, we, we had forever said, Hey, you know, vote with your dollars vote with your lifestyle. We accept donations. And this is that four to five years ago, when we're just starting out, it's like, please help. Please help the poor black kid he wants to talk about cool stuff. It's like, well, what what person doesn't want to talk about cool stuff, figure out a way to monetize what you're doing. And that's come through that four to five year time period. You know, we're, we're coming up with T shirts. That's cool. Do you know how many of those you have to sell to, to stay afloat? Too many products, making sure that the best finest grade? Do you know where they're coming from? Do you know how they're produced? And how they're processed? Are there any chemicals in them that you don't want? You know, these, these are all different things that I'm gradually having to look at. Before getting into the phase that we're in now? No, primarily we've we've survived off of just that donations, paid sponsored posts, and very, very few exclusive memberships. But as I've gotten older, and as I've gotten more secure in this, and I want to do more, that means that I have to provide more. And as I said before the T shirts, that's not gonna be the thing. That's not gonna be the thing that sells it. Exclusive members won't be the thing that sells it, paid promo posts won't be able to sell it. And so now we're moving into the space of for what, what can we provide that creates that same synergistic mutual beneficial relationship? That isn't? That isn't, that isn't an issue. So I think that would be the products and I think that would be the courses that I've mentioned beforehand, because we are so focused on things like this, who's not who's to say that you can't make the content, the business. You see, because we are doing the shows Tuesday, Friday, Sunday. You know, that's a lot for people to catch up to. But I still want to do even more with that. We have our weekly Sunday show that's about to go for 24 hours. So we're about to have a whole network. So it's it's it's a lot of different things. So I guess to get back down to point, we've had to try a lot of different business models. And it's not that none of them have worked. None of them have been sufficient for where we want to go after that business model. So part of me has had to, and this is where I'm at these days, part of me is had to say, Okay, do I declare factions of freedom, like a nonprofit organization? And they create, like a separate business to finance that? I'm not sure. But all of this is still coming from the place of how do we get the content to the people in the simplest way, in the simplest way possible? That is that is free. But if people want to take that step even deeper, how can we make sure that that is that is paid for? You know, we have? We are, we're friends with Billy Carson of forbidden knowledge. He shows up on Gaia TV and coast to coast regularly. And one of the things I talk about with him all the time is just that, it's like how do we give the content to the people, but at the same time, you know, pay the bills, he says, because he does want to do so much for everybody. It has to be that same synergistic relationship, as much as I'm giving, they have to get, and it's going to hurt at first because I'm so you know, used to doing all of this. But it'll pay off in the in the back end, you see, because then everybody's on the same page. It's not just a it's not a one sided relationship, where somebody's giving everything and getting nothing. And so that's coming from that four to five year time period of going through failed business models, learning what works from those failed business models, and then instituting them into what we have today.
Paul Zelizer 56:42
Nice. There's the saying in the progressive movement, that the progressive movement tends to eat its leaders. And one of the ways that I think people in these intersections want to be mindful of is not eating our leaders, you know, I've seen people you know, love a community, but not contribute to that community and and be really upset when that community goes away, because the leader has to move on with their energy in order to take care of themselves and their families. So just want to say, you know, that I want to, I want to change that culture, especially when there's a community of scale, nobody has to dig in that deep. There's ways if a community is paying attention, and I love what you're doing each day, and I want the community that surrounds you to think well about caring for your work, and I'm thinking of a wonderful episode, I don't usually listen to Tim Ferriss as a podcaster, a podcast host, but somebody pointed me in the direction of a fabulous conversation between Tim Ferriss and Amanda Palmer. Anybody knows Amanda Palmer. She is famous for a bunch of things, but including a TED talk that went absolutely viral called the art of asking. She's famous for having done a, and also infamous, for having done a crowdfunding campaign on Kickstarter that went over a million dollars as a musician, and she gets so much pushback and hate mail and attacked and celebrated for being an artist to quote sold out or finally was getting whatever, right. And over time, she's transitioned to another business model of a community that quote has her back. And what that's like for her as an artist and an activist to have a community have her back like that. It was it was it brought me to tears, and was really healing to some of the places in me where I've been an activist and not felt cared about and how much I'm feeling cared about these days. Thank you, our printers, community, and wonderful clients, I'm so new, I just wanted to bring that into the conversation that I want that for you, ej and other leaders like you that that we can rest well in doing the work and not be on a path of anxiety and that constant pouring out and not as much coming in, that's not a sustainable model. And I want communities to be having these conversations more. I want leaders to be having this conversation with a lot of love. But in that same sort of bold spirit that you're talking about the sharing truth part, like the truth telling, part of me 51 years old, doesn't need to back away too. So I've seen a lot of dysfunction in communities, in their relationship with leaders, not taking care of them and then getting really weird when the leader starts saying whoa, I'm not feeling taken care of. And I personally don't have a lot of patience with people who want that kind of relationship with me, Paul, you should give me all this wisdom has taken you decades to learn but I don't want to invest anything in you or what you need. Like go find some Some other theater to follow.
Ejay Clinton 1:00:03
There's there's so many things I want to touch on right there because it's so true. You know, hearing you talk about the art asking, um, definitely check that out. I wrote that down for sure. Tim Ferriss and Amanda Palmer, the art of asking. That is a huge thing, that personally, I know I have an issue with, is asking for help, then that's the simplest way to say everything that I've talked about here. It's, it's all been designed to teach me humility, patience, and, and peace. And that's, whenever we were talking earlier, you know, in the show, about a level of self growth that has to take place when you do this type of work. That is, that is that is something I've always had to work on. Is, is asking, I don't know if that's because of the whole Be a man archetype or, you know, whatever, whatever you want to call it. But that is something I've had to work on is being humble enough to admit, at What part do you end? At What part do you say, hey, I need help. And that's, that's what that's what comes with it, is whenever you understand that you can't do everything that you're not able to lift the world up on your shoulders that you do need help. That's whenever you, you, you unlock something else. And so, with the business, that's definitely something I've had to grow into asking, Hey, well, how does your business model work? Or, Hey, what are you doing? I don't want to get into your finances. But what are you doing over here? Or what's your five year plan with this? And so, and this is another part about it as well, the minute that you learn to conquer that, that hesitation with yourself, you begin to not only see it in other people, but you, you recognize who's conquered it, who's gone over it, and then who can who can start helping you. And so when it ties back into the community, that's part of again, that synergistic relationship, making sure that you're not giving more than you're getting. And it's not selfish. It's not that I've had to learn that as well. It's not selfish to ask for something in return. One of the things that, because our generation seems like it knows it all on the censored search engines were so woke. They one of the things I've commonly come up against is, oh, well, why are you asking for money, the information should be free. It's like, you're right. And this, this next part, I'm about to say is something that had to grow into your right, the information is free, but my time and energy or not. And so saying that, internalizing that, and then manifesting something to combat that are all different phases of getting over that asking for help. You see, because you figured out how to you figured out how to ask for help you figure it out that you should it's not necessarily asking for help is providing that product and service for them to again, create that synergistic beneficial relationship. So how do you how do you a lot of people aren't willing to do that a lot of people aren't willing to look at the mirror and say, Okay, what, what level of growth needs to occur in this department? What sacrifices need to be made in this area of my life? You know, what, what do what improvements need to be made over here? Because we have this level of arrogance, egotism, and know it all is known all ism, whatever you want to call it, we, we don't sometimes realize that we our biggest enemies. And I mean that in the most respectful way that sometimes we have to pull back and start looking at, again, the decisions and the choices that we're making, is this the reality and the life that we want? And are we doing what's necessary? Are we again, learning the art of asking, Are we doing what's necessary to manifest that life that we want? And so that's, again, being able to look into the mirror, asking yourself, Am I doing the right things? Am I asking the right questions? am I moving in the right direction? Do you even care? And these are all different perspectives that people need to need to start thinking. I'll say this, and I'll toss it to you. You know, I had I've been doing this for four or five years. And it's only recently, as I said, before, that we started thinking about business and the money. And I don't know why that was the case. I think it was because I came from the aspect of not thinking that I was maybe not worthy, or I didn't see that this was going to become a thing. There's a number of reasons. But as I've gotten older, I realized that there aren't people that are doing certain things. And sometimes that's a good thing because it allows for you to do anything to fill that niche or to fill that need, whatever is there. But if you are going to do Do something, don't hesitate. And don't hesitate. That's the biggest advice I can give is do not hesitate in those actions. As I said before, at the start of the transmission, let those mistakes, be lessons and learning opportunities that you haven't learned yet. Commit. And understand that there's a greater power after you get over that other Hill.
Paul Zelizer 1:05:21
If you keep talking like that, I might have to start calling you old man.
Ejay Clinton 1:05:26
Old Man J.
Paul Zelizer 1:05:28
Like that, yeah. Oh, I'll 27 years of your mister man. Damn,
Ejay Clinton 1:05:33
I wish I had a gray beard.
Paul Zelizer 1:05:35
Oh, I've earned every one of these gray hairs, I like to say, and it's true.
Ejay Clinton 1:05:39
Oh, I still got a few years. I tried to use beard oil. I still
Paul Zelizer 1:05:48
do, I could talk to you for hours. And I have talked to you for hours. And I can't wait till we go on some sort of hike or get a meal or something like that. But I want to be respectful of our audience. I want to be respectful of your time. If there was something you were hoping we'd get to today, and we haven't talked about it yet. Well, would that be? Oh
Ejay Clinton 1:06:06
my gosh, um, people, audience audiences, you are beautiful people. You are divine, divinely inspired people. Like you have you have so many abilities. You were so powerful and so beautiful and so amazing. Like, I told Paul before we came over here on the air, like, I have all these documents from at least like the 60s that that allude towards a psychokinetic potential reality has telekinetic abilities, the ability to influence reality with with your mind, it's so much more. And you're just you're so powerful, you're so beautiful. But they but they don't want you to know these things. They want you to get the Facebook likes, they want to get this the Snapchat views, they don't want you to look in the interspace and understand that, that you're a part of something so bad, so massive and so but so beautiful. They don't want you to really understand that your parents took the time to craft you, that you that you. I wish. I wish I could just tell you guys how important you really are. You not only were you will not only did you choose to be born in this timeframe, but you have gifts and powers and blessings that are dream to sum and a nightmare to others. Because there are some people that want to rob you of your divine, powerful beauty. And that's why you have that spark of life in you. That's that's that's what I wanted to touch on. At the end there is just to let people know that they are beautiful creatures, not even that beautiful beings, creatures denote being carnal. We're not carnal. We are spiritual beings, experiencing like a sliver in time a moment. So don't let the Don't let the lack of interaction on your Facebook post or the lack of interaction on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, whatever you want to call it. Don't let the lack of interaction there, the cyberspace, denigrate the interactions that you're having within yourself. Learn to connect with yourself. Learn to be content, in empowered in who you're becoming. You won't worry about all these things. So again, just understand how beautiful and powerful you are. And don't let anyone ever try to take it from you. If they do make sure it's you know, tooth and nail put up a fight. Oh,
Paul Zelizer 1:08:20
yeah, just send him to ej remember, he's 240 pounds.
Ejay Clinton 1:08:25
Yeah, well, we'll take care of him over here, call the call ej. Better Call Paul.
Paul Zelizer 1:08:34
ej, if there was a way that somebody wanted to get ahold of you What's the gasher on every channel but like, what's the best way to find out more about factions of freedom and what you guys are doing.
Ejay Clinton 1:08:44
Best way to find out about our podcast is to go to our website factions of freedom gendo calm. You can also find our podcast on iTunes, Google Play Music, SoundCloud, Spotify mixcloud. Tune in radio, we're everywhere. But if you'd like to have a more direct conversation, I'll put I'll put the put the personal email in the description bar below. So you guys can ask questions, because I'd love to hear. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Our audiences are so smart that they just they've learned to ask the right kind of questions. And then you can have a month's worth discussion off of that alone. But you guys can find us on all major podcasting platforms. I'll give Paul our email so you guys can message us there as well. We are on Instagram, primarily fed book, YouTube, Twitter. We also have various other pages all designed for specific content to to to, again, give you those little doses of reality, to remind you of your importance, but that we have those and a few other things as well. Those will all be in the description bar below. Because again, I try to diversify the information because you the audience deserve it.
Paul Zelizer 1:09:56
ej, thank you so much for being on the show today.
Ejay Clinton 1:09:59
Oh, thank you can't wait to come back on and you're gonna have to come back on one of our shows, heck both of them to say the word on there. I'll get us set up.
Paul Zelizer 1:10:10
That's all the time we have for today's interview. Thank you for listening to the aware printer show. Before we go. I want to remind you about the aware printers community. It's a community of practice, there's one way to think about it. People who are doing this work. So you're learning with and from, and teaching a community people who are moving the needle in this direction, more in the direction of social impact, more in the direction of spiritual awareness, and more in the direction of conscious business. Let's help each other grow, thrive and have the impact ever here on the planet. So for now, I want to say please take a care of these poignant times and thank you for the important work that you do.